Huehner und Eier besiedeln Land
Hallo Geisha,
die Rechtslage ist schon so, wie du sie beschreibst. Dennoch,
warum sollten die Palästinenser 1947 einem Teilungsprozess
zustimmen, wenn ihnen doch seit jeher das Land gehört?
Naja, nein, davor gehoerte es den Tuerken und dann den Briten als Mandatsgebiet, gut, das ist jetzt eine moderne Umschreibung von Kolonialismus.
Dann waren da aber noch die Umstaende, dass unter Palaestinenser alle gemeint waren, die damals dort lebten. Das waren Juden und mehrheitlich aus aller Herren Laender Eingewanderte im Rahmen des tuerkischen „Imperiums“ und es waren bei weitem nicht Tuerken gewesen, die einwanderten. Von den Palaestinenser, die immer schon dort lebten seit Generationen war ein Grossteil juedisch. Merke, von denen, die seit Generationen dort lebten. Viele der uebrigen christlichen oder muslimischen Palaestinenser waren erst in den letzten 150 Jahren dort heimisch geworden. Naja, und dann war da noch die Sache mit dem Mord in Europa und dem Beschluss der UNO. Die juengste Vertreibung von Juden aus anderen arabischen Laendern und die Vertreibung, teils durch die eigenen Leute aufgerufen, von nichtjuedischen Palaestinenser aus der Gegend 1948
So what, Huhn oder Ei. Kann man sich dusselig im Kreise drehen 
Jedenfalls, IL sollte Gaza und Westbank komplett raeumen, El-Kuds/Jerusalem teilen, einen grossen haesslichen Zaun fuer 30 Jahre bauen, eine Transitautobahn fuer Palaestina. Dann werden auch genug Soldaten frei fuer Siedlungsbau im Negev fuer die vormaligen 200 000 Siedler in Westbank und Gaza sowie fuer den Bau einer Mauer und genuegend Meerwasserentsalzungsanlagen.
viele Gruesse, Peter
The Israelis claimed that there were never any Arabs there to begin with. They were all illegal immigrants who came in during the British mandate
No Israeli I know claims they were all illegal immigrants. But the fact is that a large portion, if not the majority are relatively recent arrivals. The Arab claim that every single Arab west of the Jordan is a direct descendent of the Canaanites is nothing but simple-minded propaganda.
As a result of centuries of Turkish neglect, …the population of Palestine had shrunk to perhaps a quarter of a million by 1800, and perhaps 300,000 at mid-century.
-Pierre Loti, La Galilee, Paris, 1895 p.37-41.
There are villages populated wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire in the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Circassians, and Egyptians.
-Parkes, James William, History of the Peoples of Palestine, Hammondsworth, Great Britain, 1970, p. 212.
There are very large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece, and Italy, Turkomen settlers, a fairly large Afghan colony, Motawila, immigrants from Persia, tribes of Kurds, a Bosnian colony, Circassian settlements, a large Algerian element, Sudanese…
-Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1911 ed.
[Ibrahim Pasha, the 1831 Egyptian conquerer of Palestine] "left behind him permanent colonies of Egyptians at Besian, Nablus, Irbid, Acre, and Jaffa. Into Jaffa alone, „at least 2,000 people have been imported.“
-Ernst Frankenstein, Justice For My People, London, Nicholson and Watson, 1943, p. 127.
In 1860, entire Algerian tribes immigrated en masse to Safed. The Muslims of Safed, are „mostly descended from these Moorish settlers and from Kurds that came earlier to the city.“
-De Haas, Jacob, History of Palestine, The Last Two Thousand Years, New York, 1934, p. 425.
„I learn of the arrival of about 6,000 of the Beni Sukhr Arabs at Tiberias who are very seldom seen this side of the Jordan.“
-British Consul James Finn in apers Relating to the Distubances in Syria, no. 2, June 1860, p. 35.
After 1870, „the [Turkish] forward policy included…the planting of Circassian colonies in the country.“
-Smith, CG in Studies on Palestine During the Ottoman Period, Jerusalem, 1975, p. 93.
In 1882, there were fewer than 150,000 Arabs in the land. The great majority of the Arab population in recent decades were comparative newcomers-either late immigrants or descendents of persons that had immigrated into Palestine in the previous seventy years.
-Voss, Carl H. The Palestine Problem Today, Israel and Its Neighbors, Boston, Beacon Press, 1953, p. 13.
„This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.“
-Palestine Royal Commission Report, London: 1937
„So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied until their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.“
-Winston Churchill, 1939.
pratfall - 02:22pm Oct 15, 2002 EST (# 3 of 15346)
So whats the real deal with this „crisis“ anyway?
Who actually started it and why? And better yet what can REALISTICALLY be done to satisfy both sides before it turns into WWIII?
libnah - 02:22pm Oct 15, 2002 EST (# 4 of 15346)
As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included.
…The fact is that today’s Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today’s Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, Muslim Sherkas from Russia, Muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door.
-Walid, son of a Muslim schoolteacher in Bethlehem